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Napoleon's Generals and Staff

Posted by Waterloo on 01 Feb 2010, 04:32

I was recently looking at my French staff and generals fig for my Waterloo diorama and noticed that what few figs I have are not exactly correct and I have no where near enough.

However upon my research I am finding the uniforms of Napoleon's different generals and staff officers at Waterloo to be confusing to me and unclear.

Can anyone give me information on the difference in uniforms between Generals au Division, Marshal de Camps, Marshals, Adjutant Commandants, ADC's, etc...??

Even better, if those of you who paint Waterloo could post any pics you have of your staff and general figs for my reference and inspiration, it would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Colin
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Posted by Peter on 01 Feb 2010, 20:00

Hey Colin, you know the book "1815: The armies at Waterloo"? If you don't have it, I'll try to scan the pictures in and send them to you by e-mail.

Single pictures of: Marshal of the empire in full dress; Lieutenant-General in greatcoat; Major-General in field uniform; Senior Staff Officer in undress and an Aide-de-Camp to a Lieutenant-General undress.

And did a take a look here?

http://www.mont-saint-jean.com/cent_jours/accueil.php

Let me know what you think.
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Posted by Michael Robert on 01 Feb 2010, 22:08

Hi Waterloo

Peter gave the best link www.mont-saint-jean.com/cent-jours/acceuil.php
Please look under "uniformes/nations" et ensuite "Armée du Nord". Everything is in there very well researched and presented.

The basic rules of French generals is rather simple. Just keep adding bands of golden confetti with higher rank until you reach the summit. Then, for Napoleon the best way to stand out from his crowd was to have the most sober dress possible - a grey redingote over a green veste.
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Posted by Martin on 01 Feb 2010, 23:06

Colin,

Osprey's Elite 83, Napoleon's Commanders (2) 1809-1815 is a good one too.
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Posted by Waterloo on 02 Feb 2010, 05:20

Thanks guys. I have the Osprey book Martin mentionned, but not the 1815 one Peter talked about.

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Posted by musketier on 02 Feb 2010, 06:34

if you can find a way to get a copy of that book Peter mentioned its well worth the price it is invaluable reference for the Waterloo campaign.
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Posted by Peter on 02 Feb 2010, 19:43

Do you want the pictures Colin? Just let me know.
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Posted by Martin on 02 Feb 2010, 21:52

Peter,
That book surely has an ISBN number?
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Posted by Peter on 02 Feb 2010, 22:06

Martin wrote:Peter,
That book surely has an ISBN number?


Here's a link so you can see the book:

http://www.librarything.com/work/454492

And here's the information you asked for:

http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/6076 ... 86&max=308

Strange, that number is not in the book :?
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Posted by Waterloo on 03 Feb 2010, 04:12

If it is at all possible, I would love the photos Peter.

Thanks

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Posted by Susofrick on 03 Feb 2010, 08:37

ISBN-numbers started to appear some time during the 60s. So not all older books have any.
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Posted by Waterloo on 03 Feb 2010, 15:54

Thank you for all this information guys.

Basically my biggest question is I can't tell which French General Officers had white feathers on their bicorns.
I know Marshals, such as Ney and Soult did, but did anyone else?

What about the Waterloo Corps commanders (D"erlon, Reille, Lobau).
Their ranks were 'Generals au division", but some references show them with white feathers.

Please help

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Posted by Peter on 03 Feb 2010, 19:27

Colin, maybe this for your information. They didn't had uniformity. What I mean, these officers bought their own clothes, so that could be the difference, between wearing feathers or not. Good example? Have a look at Murat :mrgreen: Dandy first class :lol:

I'll fix your pictures this weekend ;-)
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Posted by Paul on 03 Feb 2010, 20:01

Suso is right, the ISBN came into existance in the mid to late 60´s and came into being in 1972, just in time for the book in question.

1815: The Armies at Waterloo / Ugo Pericoli (ISBN 0854220720)
London, Seeley, 1973.
176 p., [80] p. of plates. illus. (chiefly col.), map, col. plan. 25 cm.




Here´s a link to the ISBN search site
http://isbndb.com/
with a link to the book
http://isbndb.com/d/book/1815_the_armie ... erloo.html

and here it is for sale!!!!!!! :-) :-)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1815-----THE-ARMI ... 5001r29362
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Posted by Martin on 06 Feb 2010, 23:38

Hi Paul and Peter,

I could lay my hand on a copy of this book.
And sure, there are a lot of very nice drawings of uniforms in it.
And some fine details.
Thnx mates!!
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Posted by Peter on 07 Feb 2010, 00:59

Martin wrote:Hi Paul and Peter,

I could lay my hand on a copy of this book.
And sure, there are a lot of very nice drawings of uniforms in it.
And some fine details.
Thnx mates!!


Nothing to thank ;-)
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Posted by Ochoin on 07 Feb 2010, 09:58

There's quite a few staff uniforms in the photo gallery.
http://www.1815.be/
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Posted by MABO on 08 Feb 2010, 09:50

Cool link, very professional.
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Posted by phhoog on 08 Apr 2010, 21:34

I use as well the old "L'Uniforme et les Armes des Soldats du Premier Empire" (1 & 2) from Liliane & Fred Funcken, Casterman (Belgium) 1968 covering all armies from 1804 to 1815.
They published several books well illustrated including tables with regiments colors covering most important wars and even the 2 tomes "La Costume et les Armes des Soldats de tous les temps" but that doesn't go in any detail.
I don't know if they exist in any language other than french but can be found on website like Ebay or Delcampe.
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